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IRC log for #minetest, 2022-12-15

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02:16 BanaDrop Hello Dragon.
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09:13 BanaDrop Hello PREZENTY.
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11:48 foreverMt5-30002 <Player566> hallo
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11:56 BanaDrop Hello kouta.
11:56 foreverMt5-30002 <kouta> hello!!
11:59 foreverMt5-30002 <kouta> wao
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16:57 BanaDrop Hello Miniontoby.
16:59 y5nw Hi Miniontoby. Regarding the post on https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=418837#p418837, I _might_ be able to help with certain things
17:08 MinionTest3 yes thats true
17:08 MinionTest3 but I got some BIG PROBLEMS
17:08 MinionTest3 2022-12-15 18:02:12: ACTION[Server]: Miniontoby right-clicks object 105: LuaEntitySAO "advtrains:moretrains_nightline_seat_car" at (-143,3,-75)
17:08 MinionTest3 2022-12-15 18:02:14: WARNING[Server]: SQLite3 database has been locked for 250 ms.
17:08 MinionTest3 2022-12-15 18:02:15: ERROR[Server]: SQLite3 database has been locked for 1000 ms; this causes lag.
17:08 MinionTest3 2022-12-15 18:02:17: ERROR[Server]: SQLite3 database has been locked for 3000 ms - giving up!
17:09 MinionTest3 2022-12-15 18:02:17: WARNING[Server]: SQLite3 database has been locked for 250 ms.
17:09 MinionTest3 2022-12-15 18:02:18: ERROR[Server]: SQLite3 database has been locked for 1000 ms; this causes lag.
17:09 MinionTest3 2022-12-15 18:02:20: ERROR[Server]: SQLite3 database has been locked for 3000 ms - giving up!
17:09 MinionTest3 server doesnt want to stop
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17:10 MinionTest3 Oh wait mapserver locks
17:10 MinionTest3
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17:10 MinionTest3 y5nw: I am pleased that you joined
17:11 MinionTest3 You actuaaly joined at the same moment as I joined the server, hmm
17:12 MinionTest3 if you can tell me your nickname for minetest you will be using
17:12 foreverMt5-30006 *** Miniontoby joined the game
17:12 BanaDrop Hello Miniontoby.
17:13 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> hmm it didn't save the train crash, fiew
17:14 y5nw MinionTest3: preferably "ywang"
17:14 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> [WHITELIST] + ywang
17:14 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> you can join
17:14 y5nw Ok.
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17:15 MinionTest3 if you are fammiliar with reading /topic then you know where to join
17:15 MinionTest3 or else I tell you it is minetest.ircforever.org:30006
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17:16 MinionTest3 I will be having diner soon
17:16 foreverMt5-30006 *** ywang joined the game
17:16 BanaDrop Hello ywang.
17:16 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> hi
17:16 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> yay the spawn works
17:16 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> this I already build
17:16 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> and yeah some information boards
17:16 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> just wait here for train
17:17 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> or walk
17:17 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> sure
17:17 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> I have my own implementation for that
17:17 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I used the env based
17:17 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> If you need/want any other mods, tell me
17:17 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> my implementation is currently private. It needs significant cleanup before I publish it. Or I might as well rewrite it from scratch
17:18 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: this setup is a potential source of deadlocks
17:18 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> Yes thats why I didn be able to do two trains
17:18 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> as I mentioned
17:18 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> the problem is that your setup lets trains wait in single-track sections
17:19 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I followed blockheads tutorial
17:19 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> for this
17:19 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> here
17:19 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> not exactly. Your setup differs in that Blockhead's setup involves single-track sections only at the end of the lines
17:20 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> because I attached the line to the spawn?
17:20 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> in that case, single-track sections do not pose a problem because trains can only enter and exit them from/to one direction
17:20 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> maybe we just need to setup 1 track to go to here and back to spawn
17:21 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> and then just do the rest with different setup
17:21 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> like this one to reversed and remove the the two way thingy
17:21 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> in your case, the sigle-track section is connected on both ends, which can cause deadlocks because you can have situations where deadlocks occur
17:21 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oke
17:22 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> let me stop train
17:22 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> what If
17:22 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I remove switch her
17:22 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> place station here
17:23 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: it has to do with your signaling and interlocking setup, not (primarily) the stations
17:23 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> but I think having a main station here
17:23 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> is better
17:24 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> as I said, this is not relevant. The problem is with how you set up your signals
17:24 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> can you set it up?
17:24 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> not now. I will go to dinner soon. I can help afterward
17:25 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> I did not mention this in the MT forum: https://patchouli.sr.ht/builds.sr.ht/artifacts/~gpcf/902416/44803cf08cd72f1f/a4manual.pdf <- page 20 (section 3.8.2); that file is machine-generated so it will be cleared 90 days after that commit (i.e. around March 2023)
17:26 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oke
17:27 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> downloaded it
17:27 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> in the meantime, I will go to dinner. I should also consider extending the section on interlocking when I have time in the holidays
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17:27 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> me too diner
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17:27 BanaDrop Hello Miniontoby.
17:27 MinionTest3 but need to check trina
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17:49 foreverMt5-30006 *** ywang joined the game
17:50 BanaDrop Hello ywang.
17:50 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> hi
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18:01 BanaDrop Hello ssss.
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18:14 MinionTest3 yeah I had to leave
18:15 MinionTest3 Oh I understand what uou mean now
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18:16 BanaDrop Hello ssss.
18:16 MinionTest3 hey ssss
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18:17 BanaDrop Hello ywang.
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18:21 MinionTest3 hi
18:21 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> hi
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18:22 BanaDrop Hello Miniontoby.
18:22 MinionTest3 I understand the document you written
18:22 MinionTest3 *send
18:23 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> both :) (well, part of it was taken from other sources)
18:23 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> what do you need to have to make this working?
18:23 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: mainly the interlocking priv
18:23 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> check
18:23 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> and ones relevant for trackworking (train_operator, track_builder)
18:24 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> and railway_operator
18:24 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> by the way, you can grant multiple privs at once: /grant x y z
18:24 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> train_builder doesnt exist
18:24 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> yeah
18:24 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> track_builder
18:25 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> eh, there is not curved variants of feature tracks
18:25 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> ?
18:25 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oh
18:25 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> yeah
18:25 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> feature tracks: loading/unloading tracks, (Lua)ATC tracks, station tracks, etc
18:25 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> yes
18:25 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> also the area is protected so ...
18:25 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> True
18:26 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> nw you can
18:28 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> weirdly, I can not build a TCB here
18:28 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oh
18:28 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> i didnt add
18:28 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> wait i did
18:28 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> try
18:28 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oh wait
18:28 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> the one benead the stair
18:28 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> check
18:29 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> btw personnaly I like the Signal (Off) more
18:29 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> I use Ks signals more as a habit than anything else
18:29 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oke
18:30 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> Imma try to use Green Subway for Dutch Train
18:31 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oh wait me now have blender
18:32 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> does the orange color do sth?
18:32 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> orange: expect stop
18:32 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> CRASH
18:32 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> oh sh*t
18:33 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oh this signal not linked
18:34 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> fixed
18:34 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> one moment
18:34 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> sure....
18:34 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> the second rout is for storering
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> you do not need that entry signal
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> yes
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> i need
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> this one
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> to select route for store
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> to go right
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: you don't need it. Otherwise you get deadlocks
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oke
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> but how to store train?
18:35 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: think about the situation where a train wants to enter while both sections are occupied ...
18:36 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: you need two routes for that purpose
18:36 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oh
18:36 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> oh wait, do you drive on the left?
18:36 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> ?
18:36 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> with two rails
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> we got left rail is left and right rail is at right (for signals)
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> irl
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> but yeah idk
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> no. I meant whether you drive on the left track or the right one
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I copied this from blockhead
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> this train
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> looks like left-hand operation
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> went straigth
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> origianl
18:37 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: you need to start this train, by the way
18:38 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> there is no rout
18:38 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> I set one up
18:38 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> it is not set
18:38 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> to start
18:38 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> also: the train should stop at a signal if there is no route (assuming the signal is set up correctly
18:38 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> Ahh
18:39 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: wait. Go to train properties and then "clear ARS flag"
18:39 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> that camera correction
18:39 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I found it
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18:39 BanaDrop Hello fghy.
18:39 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> ahh
18:39 foreverMt5-30002 <fghy> hi
18:39 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> those platforms are irrtatiing
18:39 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> Hi fghy
18:40 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> maybe we need to name the sections
18:40 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> I don't have the habit of doing that, but IMO it's up to your choice
18:41 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: since I (accidentally) switched to right-hand operation, you may want to consider changing the station tracks here
18:41 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oke
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18:42 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> oh, I used LuaATC tracks to the extent that I forgot how the station track formspec looks like
18:44 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> what to do with this signal?
18:44 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> since we swtiche
18:44 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: you don't need that one
18:44 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> and this tcb
18:44 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> keep that TCB
18:45 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oke
18:45 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> it prevents the junction from being merged with the track itself
18:46 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> they are now named
18:47 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> btw can we change this part here?
18:47 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> it doesnt fit for the station
18:47 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> but it doesnt want to do
18:48 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> eh, you need a longer platform
18:48 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> yeah
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18:49 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> the other is fine
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18:50 BanaDrop Hello ywang.
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18:52 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> i made backup
18:52 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> uhmmm
18:53 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> the map has changed location again
18:54 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oh wait only my calculations
18:55 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> its fine
18:56 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> doesn't minetestmapper have an option to specify the center of the map?
18:56 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> btw if you want your own skin, there is a skin upload page
18:56 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> netmapper it is
18:56 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> stop
18:56 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> dont load all the chunks
18:56 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> ?
18:56 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I dont want map to be HUGE
18:57 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> just yet
18:57 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: I'm only looking for a place to build something sane on
18:57 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oh
18:58 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> i can get rid of the trees
18:58 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> no thanks. I prefer a place for myself
18:58 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oke
18:58 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> https://minetest.ircforever.org/trains.html -> map
18:58 BanaDrop Title: IRCForever Trains Server
18:58 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> its not real time
18:58 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> I saw that
18:59 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> because that thing crashes server
18:59 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> becuase sqlite3 error
18:59 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> thigny
18:59 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> I thought servers tend to use pgsql or something similar?
19:00 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I use sqlite3 so i can make backups without stopping sever
19:00 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> i use mtctl
19:00 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> and that has backup feature
19:00 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> IMO sane databases in general should allow you to make backups without stopping the server
19:00 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> oke
19:01 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> btw https://wiki.minetest.net/Database_backends says sqlite is a really good one
19:01 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> (well, that is my personal opinion. I don't have much knowledge on server-side stuff)
19:02 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> yeah me also not too much, but I know enough
19:02 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> and also enough to spam chat with advertisements
19:02 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> I suppose the lack of concurrent access is a downside of sqlite
19:02 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> thx to ctf server
19:02 MinionTest3 !tr nl  lack of concurrent access
19:02 BanaDrop gebrek aan gelijktijdige toegang
19:03 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I can copy the file using rsync (just like the backup)  and then read it
19:03 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> but yeah i get the point
19:03 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I mostly now go to my friends (at 20:00) and then play games with them
19:03 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> ah. Can you not run minetestmapper or advtrains-netmapper on that backup? (assuming that it's not modified)
19:04 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> Miniontoby: ok. Have fun
19:04 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> I am running minetestmapper and netmapper on the current one
19:04 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> will be back totmorow
19:04 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> at school wifi
19:04 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> will be fine
19:04 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> ok
19:04 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> if you stay at irc , I will keep you up
19:05 MinionTest3 and maybe request an IRC Bouncer, it stays 24/7 connected and can keep logs while you are away
19:05 MinionTest3 the command is !bnc and then the bot will tell you all you need to know
19:05 foreverMt5-30006 <Miniontoby> bye
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19:05 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> ok
19:05 y5nw !bnc
19:05 MinionTest3 (btw MinionTest3 == Miniontoby == me)
19:05 y5nw I see
19:06 MinionTest3 But yeah I used this weechat session for testing multiplayer chat game
19:06 MinionTest3 but never changed nick
19:07 MinionTest3 btw you can get your own vps to host minetest on like I do here for free (with a commitment per week)
19:07 MinionTest3 jrmu: can tell you more about it
19:08 y5nw I have quite some things to work on in terms of MT-related stuff, in particular Advtrains (see commit log and branches)
19:08 MinionTest3 And you can also host a wiki and websites with SSL and more
19:09 MinionTest3 Nice
19:09 MinionTest3 I gtg for today
19:10 MinionTest3 old_debiankaios is also a mt'er IIRC, right?
19:10 MinionTest3 .players
19:10 mttrackr Players on foreverMt5-30006: ywang
19:10 mttrackr Total: 1 player across 1 active server (and 2 inactive servers).
19:10 MinionTest3 ttyl
19:10 MinionTest3 leave your message here and mention my name, then I will see them tormowo
19:10 y5nw I still need to learn IRC so ... thanks for the info
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20:05 BanaDrop Hello mramroma.
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20:24 BanaDrop Hello good.
20:24 foreverMt5-30002 <good> hello
20:24 foreverMt5-30006 <ywang> hi
20:25 foreverMt5-30002 <good> hi
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